PRIIIIIINNNNNNCCCCEEEE!!!!

SD dropped Prince again last night with out Lleu in the group. It's the third time SD has killed Prince and the second time Lleu has not been in the group. Both times Lleu has missed the raid because at the last minute the Mrs. Lleu deemed the evening Date Night. Both times Lleu has missed the raid, the Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix has dropped. Now we're not complaining, we like spending time with the little lady. We're just mad that the bow has dropped twice and we still don't have it. The can't really relate to are frustration so we put it terms that she could understand. "Imagine that The Rolling Stones, George Strait, and Wham! go on tour together. Your best friend won tickets the night of the concert and wants to take you, but your cell phone is dead and you volunteered to work late. Then the next day she tell you about it. That's sort the feeling I've got right now." Now she understands.

UPDATE: It turns out that Dezzi is a dirty liar and Prince still stands. We've already cleared a raid time with the boss and will be there tonight for the Prince funeral.

Obligatory patch day post

Yes we know we're late with this post. Slappy apologizes profusely. Me? I'm to tired to care. We all know the patch day dance. Log in to WoW excited to play with your new toys. Get a LUA error. Log out. Pray that there is a update. /cry when there isn't. Turn off that Add on. Rinse. Repeat. Most of my add ons worked in some capacity. I had lost all of my tool tips for anything in my bags. After dealing with this for a few days it started getting really annoying.

Instead of starting small I started big. Let's delete the WTF file, that'll fix it! um, wrong? We logged back in and Slappy looked at me like I was an idiot. Fine, let's go digging elsewhere. I finally found the culprit, LootLink. I updated this on day one which actually cause my problem in the first place. Now there was a fix for it. Yay for tooltips! I can tell what how long I have left on my hearthstone cool down!

Now for the bigger issue. I really wish I could blame Blizzard for this but it's my fault. Remember that WTF file that we deleted, and that look that Slappy gave us? Well now we know why. Press F5 to mount up. Space bar to take flight..... why are we still on the ground? Slappy stop looking at me like that!! What the heck is go.... oh yeah. The WTF file holds the profiles, my hot keys are gone. We've become very good at quickly binding keys. Five minutes later we're in the air flying towards Ogrila to bomb the nasty demons and capture their souls.

We land and press F2 to send Slappy in with our pet attack macro. Seriously, Slappy, if you look at me like that again you're not getting anymore sporling treats. Now go get the demon. Oooo, my macros are missing. I don't write my own macros. I find ones I like on the intartubes then copy and paste them. Across all of my characters I've got at least 15. Now I have to go find them all again. I grabbed all the ones for the hunter off of BRK's site, quickly finished Simon Says, and headed back to Shattrath where I sat for close to two hours hunting down all of my marcos. Moral of the story: When troubleshooting, start SMALL

Karazhan. Savage Desire. Pure Suckage.

SD headed to Kara again last night. We got owned. We got owned hard. We quickly cleared the trash to Aran and wiped. We wiped three times. Finally we decided to burn him all the way and not stop until Slappy had a big [Shade of Aran Leg Bone] to gnaw on the rest of the night. It was a race to 40%hp/20%mana. 5 seconds after the Elementals despawn we get sheeped. Aran eats dirt SD /dances, Slappy is a happy cat. Both loots(some boots and a wand) go to Dezzi to help his healing. He has like a gajillion +healing now, we guess that's good.

Anywho, back to Kara. We lost a rogue to disconnect so we picked up a mage to replace him. Two people went out to summon and got camped by two Alliance groups for a good 15 minutes. Finally we were all back together and on our way to Netherspite. This was my first time at Netherspite and now I understand why people hate this fight.

Netherspite has two phases from what I could tell. The first phase he summons three portals. Each portal shoots a beam to Netherspite that you have to intercept. Red decreases your damage taken and increases your threat, HP, and melee damage done. Blue increases the magic damage you take but increases the spell damage you can do as well. Green increases your ability to heal but drains your mana. Thinking logically The Red will be taken by a tank, Blue by a caster (preferably a Warlock since that can Life drain) and green by a priest or druid. The Healadin needs their mana for the next phase that we'll discuss so they don't get to play in the beam. Netherspite also drops the little black void holes from the first boss in Arcatraz. Stay out of those. Remember Baron Rivendare from Stratholme? Remember the really annoying Aura DoT that would hit everyone? Yeah, that's back for this fight too. The first time we fought him I though I was doing something wrong because it wasn't mentioned in the pre-fight explanation. Turns out Netherspite just hates being killed.

For the second phase Netherspite does this banish thing and everyone but the tank and a healer (the Healadin) run to the walls and hope for the best. Netherspite shoots a bunch of breath attacks at different areas of the room. If you're bunched together you're dead since the healers won't be able to top everyone off.

The toughest part of this fight are the voids. The smallest bit of miscommunication here can cause a wipe. If the beams hit Netherspite he gets a buff. The longer the beam is on him the stronger the buff becomes. We wiped five times and called the raid. We couldn't do chess because our Druid needs gear off it and he wasn't around. Maybe tonight we'll get that and Prince done. Lleu wants his bow.

Karazhan. Savage Desire. Pure Ownage.

The raid was going to start at 5. Lleu was sad. We couldn't get on until at least 8. Logging in we see that the raid time has been changed to 10(ish). Crisis, the Raid Leader is on so we send him a quick /tell asking him if we will have a spot. Money is tight and if the raid is full we can't be wasting it on pots. He tells us not to worry about pots but to be ready in case they need us. Suddenly we're having flashbacks to the last time we were "on the list"

This time is different though, Lleu and Slappy are the second DPS to get invited. Woot! We killed the trash to Aran without incident (the raid took out Curator on Friday night). Aran was two shotted. The first go at him a few new people weren't in Vent and didn't know to run from the Explosion. On the second attempt I don't think anyone even died. He dropped the DPS cloak and necklace. Both of which we're defaulted to your truly because all the other DPS had the items or had better.

Chess was a one shot (shocker! :P). Plate and Leather.

Prince. Prince is a B@stard. Rather, his infernals are B@stards. We tried 6 times to down him. All 6 times infernals dropped right on top of our DPS/heal stack. I'm not sure what we did different on the last attempt but Prince went down hard. Some sort of caster dagger dropped. It's purple so I guess it's good. Caster stats confuse Lleu. Dezzi has tried to explain them to us but our eyes just sort of glaze over. The second purple was for the Hunter/Mage/Warlock helm. 1 hunter and 2 locks in the group. Without thinking I /roll 100 and win with a 57. Well Actually I lost but one of the locks was playing on a shared account and didn't realize they had the helm already. So again it was defaulted to me.

This really made the other lock mad. "Oh come on!! Lleu already got 2 epics tonight!!" "He's right I did.... I'll pass on the helm" Lleu hasn't been in 'tell hell' like this since his Shadowbane days. Everyone in the raid sent me a tell saying that it was a better upgrade for me then him and that I better take it. Even the Druid that we've been debating with yelled at me to take it. So Lleu over vent says "yeah I'll take it. It's to much of an upgrade to pass on." Lleu's inner conversation is more of "ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?! THREE EPICS!!! WOOT!!!" /dance /hugself /passoutcauseitstwohourspassedyoubedtime.

I when to Ogrimmar to socket the helm but though better of it. I was fighting to keep my eyes open and would probably add a +spell damage gem in my current state. So tonight I'll be doing dalies to get the cash to proper socket my helm As well as collect the mats for a +12 AGI enchant for my new cloak.

The issues I've had with Savage Desire seemed to fade away last night. Even the Raid Leader said we kicked @$$ on DPS. The Druid and I had a friendly conversation. Maybe we've finally moved passed all of the BS and can get down to the business at hand: getting Kara on farm status and moving to bigger and better things.

We've stopped trying....

In my last post post I mentioned running Heroic Mech with a Warlock that was in all epics. I don't know his spec but he was launching shadow bolts like nobodies business. After the run I posed a question to my guild. "A BM hunter and an epicced out Lock walk into Heroic Mech. Who does more damage?" Responses ranged from "The Lock, of course" to "Depends, are we counting the Hunters pet?"

My answer "YOU'RE ALL WRONG B!TCHES!" and I post the following:
That's right, Lleu blew the Lock out of the water. Was the Warlock holding back? Most definitely, although he did comment that I was doing a ton of damage. So Lleu does 49.8% of the overall damage. What's the first comment from my guild? "GG" or "Jebus that's a ton of damage!"? Nope. "you'd do more if you were MM." Says a druid.

I'm sorry what? His reasoning is that my gun does more then my pet and I'll get bigger crits with MM. What he fails to realize is that as BM your pet more then makes up for the loss of ranged damage. Above that, with Ferocious Inspiration everyone is doing 3% more damage. Now Lleu isn't a big numbers guy so what do I do? The same thing any good hunter would do in this situation. We tried to send him here. If by some miracle you found this blog via something other then BRK, go read his training list now. And take notes. There will be a test at the end.

He refused to go read and look at the theorycraft because he's "played the game for a really long time and every hunter in end game is MM/survival." Every hunter except for, you know, BRK, Annai, Me, and countless others that have seen the light and are speced for damage.

At this point I kindly told him that I was done with him and if he continued to complain about my spec I would take my cat and go to a guild that likes DPS. I play this game for fun and defending my spec while topping the Damage meters every run is not my idea of a good time.

Let me mention that at no point have I ever said the BM is the only viable option for hunters. I'm a huge fan of trying new specs and looking like a total fool. What I've said is that BM works for me. If you want to run around Kara trying to quad trap without your pet out that's your deal. But to tell someone they have to respec because "everyone else is MM/surv" is wrong. Not everyone is. In fact, there are a lot of specs for all classes that I look at and think wtf is that guy doing?! but it works for him so I happy that he's happy.

Will Lleu stay with Savage Desire? Will he start a guild of his own? Will Slappy rip out this druids throat and piss on it bloody carcass? Stay tuned for the next installment of As the Guildies Turns!

Super mega gear time!

Lleu gets one day a week where his wife takes care of baby BRC and he gets to game. This week we decided to get as much gear as possible before hitting Kara hard again since we're still getting flak from a couple of guildies about being BM spec. We haven't had a marathon like this in some time: Durnholde, Arcatraz, Steam Vaults, Black Morass, Steam vaults again. Through all of those Lleu saw no drops at all.

Finally Backpacks logs in and we get a Heroic Mech run going. After a bit of character shuffling we finally get going with Lleu, Backpacks, Dezzi, a Warlock, and a Holy Paladin. The Warlock was in all epics, but more on that later. We were there for Sun Eater for Backpacks. Instead, Handguards of the Steady dropped. We'll take it!

Ok, Lleu is tired and is going to bed. What's that Dezzi? You've got a Durnholde group? Fine I'll go but it has to be quick. The second boss dropped the Greaves of Patience. Yes, yes Lleu does need those. Thank you. Last boss down *now* Lleu is going to bed.

"Hey Lleu, you still need Steamvaults right? Cause I've got a group for it." Dezzi says. Hmm, it's 12:45am. Mini Me will be up in 6 hours.... Plenty of time to run Steam Vaults!! It was by far the worst group of the night. Then tank was only a tank by name. Slappy took more damage and got more heals. After several wipes on the first boss we almost called it. Dezzi wanted to hang out and hit revered though so we stayed. Last boss, o....m....g. The Beast Lord Mantle!!!

What Dezzi? Now you've got a Mechanar group?? No. We're going to bed.

With all the new gear we actually dropped in DPS and was a bit bummed about it but our crit went up so we felt it was a good trade of. Waking up yesterday we realized that the assault enchant on our gloves, Cobra armor on our legs and the attack power enchant from Aldor on our shoulders were all gone. After putting those back on Lleu is sitting at 304 DPS unbuffed and 317 with AotH. With an extra 1.5% crit. Slappy is doing 155 DPS. If our damage now doesn't impress the naysayers we're going to stop trying.

Mechanar tricked me.

We ran Mech last night..... again. I really thought that Beast Lord Helm would drop. Everything else was hunter gear. The Cache contained an AGI and Stam cloak. The boss upstairs dropped Stellaris. Calculator..... gave us 2 caster items. Stupid calculator. They wree both put to good use but Lleu is getting sick of running Mech. Good thing we hit Revered on the run or it would have been a total bust. Backpacks and I will be looking for heroic Arc tonight.

Is Kara really worth this headache?

Let me preface this post by saying that I like my guild. The people are great, the GM is cool as hell, and I'd love to run SSC and Gruul with them in time. However, the raid leader must die.

Let's go back to Wednesday night shall we? Leadership had scheduled a late night Kara run. Starting a 10PM with invites going out at 9:45. Lleu and Slappy login at 9 to start preparations. 10 AGI elixers, 10 mana pots, 15 heal pots, 20 AGI scrolls to buff the DPS for bosses, and band aids are all ready to go. 9:45 /g Lleu: Lleu is outside Kara and is ready for his invite!

Lleu is told to wait for healers to show up. 10pm... still no raid. We knew one healer would be late so he's not mad. 10:10 the late healer is on. Still no raid leader. 10:15 the raid leader shows up. Invites go out. Lleu doesn't get one. "Sorry bro I forgot you" is what he's told. Still no big deal. He's first on the waiting list, doesn't really need Curator, and had already found a group for Shadow Labs.

During the Shadow Labs run another hunter says he needs Murmur and wants to swap out. I tell him sure, just let me get some rep. At the same time we down Vorpil, the raid makes it to Aran. I swap in the other hunter and I'm ready, just in case they need more DPS for Aran. And they do.... but Lleu's spot is offered to a Warlock that the Raid Leader knows IRL. /g Lleu: Um.... Lleu needs Aran please. Over Vent the Raid Leader "SH!T!! I totally forgot you Lleu, ok you're in..... Dude, why are you in Shattrath. If you're on the waiting list you HAVE to be outside waiting, play a twink or something but you've got to be ready to go."

Lleu is about to lose his freaking mind. "Hey {Raid Leader} I really don't want to be a d!ck about this but I was an hour early for the raid, outside Kara when invites were supposed to go out. I've got pots, band aids and AGI scrolls for dps. You on the other hand were 30 minutes late and convienitly forgot to invite me, now your trying to give my spot away again. So don't try to preach to me about being ready to go."

His reason for being late to the raid? "I was watching Friends. But I'm aways on time and bring my A-game" Friends.... effing FRIENDS!! To top it all off the Warlock that he tried to get in the raid instead of me took the same blimp as I did Grom'Gol. So the waiting for me argument is out as well. When I politely mention that fact I'm called an elitest and should just chill out. About this time I get a whisper from dezzi "shh" is all he says. Dezzi has followed me from game to game, from server to server, and at times to different guilds so I don't think this is an outlandish request. I bite my tongue and head for Kara.

We didn't down Aran but we got close. On the last pull, Slappy got caught in the door and it wouldn't let me unsummon him due to LOS issue. I think we would have dropped Aran if she was there munching on his ankles.

I don't know if I'm going to stay with Savage Desire or not at this point. I understand why Dezzi wants to stay, phat lewt is fun to get. He can tell that I'm frustrated as can the GM. She sent me a tell right after the raid apologizing for the RL so that helps a bit.

More Karazhan Please!!

Last night was the first time I've every had a *good* Kara run and only my second time in there. We struggled on Attunmen at first, wiping two times. Then we got a third healer and dropped him quick. Being the only mail wearing in the joint defaulted the Stalker's War Bands to me. They now have an Assault enchant (thanks Dezzi!). Kill kill kill now Moroes. One shotted. Nothing for me of course but I'm still filled with glee over my new bracers. Kill kill kill "Ok everyone hope for anything but Crone... we DON'T want Crone." Says the raid leader. Guess what we got? Yep, The Crone. Two Wipes and a quick check on Wowhead and we down her on the third shot. The Raid leader links some ring and says that's it. He tells everyone to move to Curator and then tells me to roll. ZOMG LEGACY!!!!! Sonic Spear comes off, Legacy goes on and now has a +35 agi enchant. Curator rolled us three times, the last wipe he was at 7% but it was late and we called the raid. I was tops on the Damage meters barely edging out a rogue with better gear.

Now in my last post I mentioned that the my new GM was happy to let me try BM in Kara. The Raid Leader last night *really* didn't like that and was constantly testing me by giving me casters to trap, pulling before traps were down, anything he could do to trip me up he tried. At the end of the night when I spammed Damage done where I was top, and healing taken where I was last all he could really say was "damn.... you can stay BM I guess." I think I'm going to like now that we've got that out of the way.

One last thing, I *have* to give a shout out to BRK. Without his indirect guidance from his blog I'd still have points in CE and be rolling on Stam gear over attack power. Thanks for the help bro. Feel free to make a horde toon on Spinebreaker. i'll even let you touch [Legacy] :P

How to handle spec change requests.

When I went looking for a new guild several of them wanted me to change to survival/MM spec. Here's how most of the conversations went.

Officer: We'll need you change to a 0/41/20 spec, is that ok?
Me: Actually, I'd like to stay BM. I play my hunter for max damage and changing my spec will lower my damage output.
Officer: Your job will be to trap and scatter shot. Leave the damage to the mages and rogues.
Me: I'm sorry, you're guild is looking for something that I can't provide.

Finally I found Savage Desire are conversation was a bit different.

Officer: We'll need you change to a 0/41/20 spec, is that ok?
Me: No.
Officer: Huh??
Me: No. I'm a hunter. I do damage. That's my job.
Officer: Your job will be to trap and scatter shot. Leave the damage to the mages and rogues.
Me: I'll make you a deal.
Officer: What's that.
Me: Let me run Kara one time as BM. If my traps breaking early cause a wipe or if I'm less then 3rd place in the damage meters against similarly geared players I'll respec.
Officer: Fine, I'll invite but you still need to talk to the GM.

A few days later I spoke with the GM.
Me: So Officer say I'll need to respec to a MM/Surv spec. Yeah, I kinda refuse to do that. My traps should be fine as is. Is this going to be a problem?
GM: Well I don't really know anything about hunters so as long as you feel that you can pull your weight in Kara, do whatever you're most comfortable with.

/sigh of relief.

This easily could have turned into a bad situation. If the GM refused to budge I would have left. If the GM had said "Let's try your spec and we'll go from there." I would have stayed. Tonight is my first Kara run with Savage desire. If I n00b up the place I will gladly do what's best for the guild and switch to a spec that I hate (sorry guys, just personal taste). Why? Because it's the right thing to do. However if I rock the joint and become the adoration of squishies everywhere, I will dance with every boss that we down in Kara tonight.

So whats the point of all this? Bend, but don't break. If you're looking for a new guild and they request something of you, try to compromise but that them know that you're in control of your spec. Be polite but firm about it. Be willing to change if your spec doesn't fit their strategy. Remember there are 9 other people running Kara with you. You're there to help everyone get phat lewt, not just yourself.

How not to run heroic Ramparts.

A Prot Warrior(Backpacks), a BM Hunter(Me), one Holy Priest(Trep), and two, yes two Shadow Priests(Hez and Dezzi) walk into Heroic Ramparts. No one walks out alive. We should have taken the first pull as a sign of thing to come. The pull itself was flawless.

/cast Arcane Shot(rank 1)
/stopcasting

Backpacks grabs the skull, square gets trapped.... for approximately .05 seconds. WTH?? Did he resist?? No time to worry about it now, I'm in position for trap 2. Frozen and broken again, in .05 seconds. I pulled Kitty back to help tank, Kitty takes two hit and is down. I'm down. Dezzi, being the over zealous priest that he is nukes the square to unholy hell, Hez says run, dezzi is down, Backpacks is down. Trep and Hez get out. Rez rez rez and we try again. this time the traps hold and we down the two. I won't bore you with a pull by pull account but atleast one person died every pull all the way to the top of the stairs where we called it quit.

Do not, I repeat NOT try this at home. BRC dies so you don't have to.

A pet to tank with Part 2 - Save the Squishy!

A defensive pet has three jobs in an instance. Off tank, Save the Squishies, and don't die. Of those duties, saving the squishies is the most important. In part one I mentioned that Kitty can OT a caster with a mend and a renew. He can also OT a ranged elite and a non-elite. So we already know that he can get aggro, hold aggro, and not die.

In Part one I started off by stating that I wanted a turtle. In my opinion Turtles would make the best off tank because of their armor bonus and Shell Shield (50% damage mitigation for 15 seconds). However they are severely lacking any movement bonuses.

Pets have three skills to help them cover ground quickly.

Dash
Charge
and Warp.

Dash at rank 3 give an 80% bonus for 15 seconds. Charge is well.... charge. It also stuns. Warp gets your pet from point A to point B instantly as long as Point B is no more then 20 yards away from Point A. In an instance that rarely happens. When you need to stop your healer from gettin beat on, or save an over zealous Shadow priest from certain death it's all about getting to them and getting to them fast. As you can see, in an instance dash and charge will get you pet to it's off tanking duty faster but nothing will beat Warp when you're trying to stop a clothies face from being eaten.

A pet to tank with Part 1

I used to want a turtle. I'd QQ every time I saw a level 70 hunter with a turtle. I didn't have the forward thinking to pick on up early on and now it makes me sad. Until 70 I never ran many instances and the ones I did never really required an off tanking pet so I stuck to DPS pets. The Rake until 34, then Brokentooth to 63. Then I picked up a Ravager for damage. At 70 Skippy was dying almost every fight in instances. Something needed to change. I tried to level a turtle from 56 to 70. He made it to 57.5 before I said f**k that. I tried wolf from Burning Edge but I didn't feel that bond you need to have with a pet. That bond that makes you want him or her to survive the fight.

I started looking for *any* defensive pet that was already 70. While I was doing my daily quests for the first time in Skettis I saw a Warp chaser that fit the bill. Warp Chasers have +5% armor. Not the 13% that turtles have by any means, but still a good defensive bonus. I flew back to town, put Slappy (my new cat) in the stable and went back out to get my new tank.

Kitty is now Rank 6 loyalty and has Natural Armor Rank 11. Unbuffed he has 12k armor. With a Prot Pally giving him protection aura he's close to 16k armor. He also has Stam rank 8. With a priest stam buff he has close to 9k health. We've been running Shattered Hall every night so I tossed on Fire resist Rank 2 as well. Kitty will tank a caster in Halls with little more then a pet mend and a renew.

On a few occasions I've had him OTing two mobs (a sharpshooter and a non elite) and more then once my tank has commented on the amount of aggro the Kitty accumulates. This makes us happy.

New guild

On Wednesday night Dezzi and I left Dirty Horde after much deliberation. Inactivity was cited as the reason for our departure. We may have been in a bad mood after looking for 2 hours for a Hall group so we could make Revered and start running Heroics. But when there is a Boomkin, a Tank, and a Warlock wanting to run Heroic Furnace and can't find 2 more to go. And a hunter and priest from your guild are pleading to be run through Halls one more time for rep so they can run heroics, you should run them through instead of saying, "I guess we'll go run Bot instead" Then everyone gets epix and we all win. We left under good terms and look forward to grouping with Thechicken again soon to take down some more of those pesky skulls.

So now we're in Savage Desire on an interim basis. I have to talk to the guild leader and explain why having me respec to 0/41/20 would be bad. If I wanted to run as a MM/Surv build I would have named my blog doubletrap or some other crap. As BRK says hunters are all about massive, sustained damage. If I can't do that, have Kitty OT a second mob, and keep a third trapped then I should just go roll a rogue and spam Backstab.

First Karazhan run!

Yesterday after noon I got this crazy idea that Dezzi and I should find a Kara PUG to join. A quick text later and it was decided that he'd start looking for one about an hour before I logged on at 8. Around 8:15 we found a guild called Lords of Aggrothat was in the process of running but had lost a few members. We joined and got a summons to Kara. They were on the way to Maiden when a few other PUGGERs dropped group.

The first pull went really smooth, it was a big group of non elites. The tank, a feral druid over vent says "oooo the hunter knows to misdirect" *grin*

The second pull was a single elite Valet. I send in Kitty and mark using my pet pull macro

/cast hunter's mark
/petattack

And prep for my aimed shot. At the same time me gun goes *BANG* the druid says "valet is immune to growl.... watch your DPS everyone." I start thinking "please dont crit.... aimed shot never crits for you, it won't crit." So of course it ZOMGWTFCRITZZZ for 2k. No problem, I'll feign dea.... nope that's a real death. Lleu was one shotted for close to 10k health!! Yes, that's a wipe.

After that thing went well, until Maiden. Maiden owned us. First pull the main healer got the Repentance, that's a wipe at 60%. Second pull Maiden was down to 40%, Warlock pulls aggo while standing next to the main healer. Main healer stands in the AE and goes down. That's a wipe. Third pull, I'm not really sure what happened but we wiped at 90%. At this point I ask "hey should we skip Maiden?" Someone else agrees and we go to Moroes.

I go to look up Moroes and see that he is the "keystone" for the dancing mobs. Killing him will stop the respawns. Wow, wish we would have know that before. Especially since no one was really looking for gear off of Maiden.

On Moroes we had the Shadow Priest, Prot Warrior, and both Pallies. We trapped the Ret Pally, the Shadow Priest, and shackled the Prot Warrior. DPSed the Holy Paladin down. Our shadow priest was to high on the threat meter and was dropped. Then we DPSed down the Shadow priest and that was all she wrote for us, our tank dropped and Moroes had 10 more people over for dinner. Two more attempts fail even worse and Lords of Aggro call the raid.

We learned a lot about the small amount of Kara that we saw and that's a good thing since Ash told me that we'll start doing guild runs in the near future. We've got a couple of guildies that have more experience then we do in there but every little bit of info will help.